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Nature发表无根据文章影射抹黑我国运动员

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thinker 发表于 2012-8-3 09:49:06 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
一篇发表在Nature网站的文章

http://www.nature.com/news/why-g ... -suspicions-1.11109


公然影射抹黑叶诗文,文章用选择性甚至错误的信息误导公众,不但没有任何科学性,其骨子里对华人的偏见昭然若揭。面对众多质疑,编辑和作者非常傲慢,拒不认错。后来还偷偷修改了题目(原来的题目见附件,更加露骨)。很多人在comments中写了很好很理性的文章反驳,但被删贴。

最早两片有理有据的反驳已被删除,但后来有人补贴。

这样毫无Science却充斥着种族偏见的文章在Nature发表,是对科学界和华人的羞辱。

现在海外华人正在联名抗议此事,希望删文,道歉,相关editor解聘。也希望同胞们将此事在国内科学界宣传,扩大此事影响。我们希望更多的人参与到理性有效的行动中来,让那几个racist editor得到应有的惩罚。

注:现在并不建议大家去Nature网站谩骂,以免被反咬一口,我们的最终目的是让那些虚伪无知以科学的名义歧视华人的人得到惩罚!

 楼主| thinker 发表于 2012-8-3 09:53:51 | 显示全部楼层
其中的一位高人,有如下反驳强文:
Lai Jiang said:

    It is a shame to see Nature, which nearly all scientists, including
myself, regard as the one of the most prestigious and influential physical
science magazines to publish a thinly-veiled biased article like this.
Granted, this is not a peer-reviewed scientific article and did not go
through the scrutiny of picking referees. But to serve as a channel for the
general populous to be in touch with and appreciate sciences, the authors
and editors should at least present the readers with facts within proper
context, which they failed to do blatantly.

    First, to compare a player's performance increase, the author used Ye's
400m IM time and her performance at the World championship 2011, which are 4
:28.43 and 4:35.15 respectively, and reached the conclusion that she has got
an "anomalous" increase by ~7 sec (6.72 sec). In fact she's previous
personal best was 4:33.79 at Asian Games 20101. This leads to a 5.38 sec
increase. In a sport event that 0.1 sec can be the difference between the
gold and silver medal, I see no reason that 5.38 sec can be treated as 7 sec.

    Second, as previously pointed out, Ye is only 16 years old and her body
is still developing. Bettering oneself by 5 sec over two years may seem
impossible for an adult swimmer, but certainly happens among youngsters. Ian
Thorpe's interview revealed that his 400m freestyle time increased 5 sec
between the age of 15 and 162. For regular people including the author it
may be hard to imagine what an elite swimmer can achieve as he or she
matures, combined with scientific and persistent training. But jumping to a
conclusion that it is "anomalous" based on "Oh that's so tough I can not
imagine it is real" is hardly sound.

    Third, to compare Ryan Lochte's last 50m to Ye's is a textbook example
of what we call to cherry pick your data. Yes, Lochte is slower than Ye in
the last 50m, but (as pointed out by Zhenxi) Lochte has a huge lead in the
first 300m so that he chose to not push himself too hard to conserve energy
for latter events (whether this conforms to the Olympic spirit and the "use
one's best efforts to win a match" requirement that the BWF has recently
invoked to disqualify four badminton pairs is another topic worth discussing
, probably not in Nature, though). On the contrary, Ye is trailing behind
after the first 300m and relies on freestyle, which she has an edge, to win
the game. Failing to mention this strategic difference, as well as the fact
that Lochte is 23.25 sec faster (4:05.18) over all than Ye creates the
illusion that a woman swam faster than the best man in the same sport, which
sounds impossible. Put aside the gender argument, I believe this is still a
leading question that implies the reader that something fishy is going on.

    Fourth, another example of cherry picking. In the same event there are
four male swimmers that swam faster than both Lochter (29.10 sec)3 and Ye (
28.93 sec)4: Hagino (28.52 sec), Phelps (28.44 sec), Horihata (27.87 sec)
and Fraser-Holmes (28.35 sec). As it turns out if we are just talking about
the last 50m in a 400m IM, Lochter would not have been the example to use if
I were the author. What kind of scientific rigorousness that author is
trying to demonstrate here? Is it logical that if Lochter is the champion,
we should assume he leads in every split? That would be a terrible way to
teach the public how science works.

    Fifth, which is the one I oppose the most. The author quotes Tucks and
implies that a drug test can not rule out the possibility of doping. Is this
kind of agnosticism what Nature really wants to educate its readers? By
that standard I estimate that at least half of the peer-reviewed scientific
papers in Nature should be retracted. How can one convince the editors and
reviewers that their proposed theory works for every possible case? One
cannot. One chooses to apply the theory to typical examples and demonstrate
that in (hopefully) all scenarios considered the theory works to a degree,
and that should warrant a publication, until a counterexample is found. I
could imagine that the author has a skeptical mind which is critical to
scientific thinking, but that would be put into better use if he can write a
real peer-reviewed paper that discusses the odds of Ye doping on a highly
advanced non-detectable drug that the Chinese has come up within the last 4
years (they obviously did not have it in Beijing, otherwise why not to use
it and woo the audience at home?), based on data and rational derivation.
This paper, however, can be interpreted as saying that all athletes are
doping, and the authorities are just not good enough to catch them. That may
be true, logically, but definitely will not make the case if there is ever
a hearing by FINA to determine if Ye has doped. To ask the question that if
it is possible to false negative in a drug test looks like a rigged question
to me. Of course it is, other than the drug that the test is not designed
to detect, anyone who has taken Quantum 101 will tell you that everything is
probabilistic in nature, and there is a probability for the drug in an
athlete's system to tunnel out right at the moment of the test. A slight
change as it may be, should we disregard all test results because of it? Let
?¢a??a?¢s be practical and reasonable. And accept WADA is competent at its
job. Her urine sample is stored for 8 years following the contest for
future testing as technology advances. Innocent until proven guilty, shouldn
't it be?

    Sixth, and the last point I would like to make, is that the out-of-
competition drug test is already in effect, which the author failed to
mention. Per WADA president?¢a??a?¢s press release5, drug testing for
olympians began at least 6 months prior to the opening of the London Olympic
. Furthermore there are 107 athletes who are banned from this Olympic for
doping. That maybe the reason that ?¢a???“everyone will pass at the
Olympic games. Hardly anyone fails in competition testing?¢a????? Because
those who did dope are already sanctioned? The author is free to suggest
that a player could have doped beforehand and fool the test at the game, but
this possibility certainly is ruled out for Ye.

    Over all, even though the author did not falsify any data, he did (
intentionally or not) cherry pick data that is far too suggestive to be fair
and unbiased, in my view. If you want to cover a story of a suspected
doping from a scientific point of view, be impartial and provide all the
facts for the reader to judge. You are entitled to your interpretation of
the facts, and the expression thereof in your piece, explicitly or otherwise
, but only showing evidences which favor your argument is hardly good
science or journalism. Such an article in a journal like Nature is not an
appropriate example of how scientific research or report should be done.

    1http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.ph ... per&Itemid=1241
    2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ETPUKlOwV4
    3http://www.london2012.com/swimmi ... wm054100/index.html
    4http://www.london2012.com/swimmi ... ww054100/index.html
    5http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/new ... 12-press-conference
 楼主| thinker 发表于 2012-8-3 11:01:24 | 显示全部楼层
奥运壮举缘何引来猜忌?

副标题1(《科学美国人》援引,最早版本?):成绩分析法可能有助于找出使用了违
禁兴奋剂的运动员
副标题2:成绩分析法可能有助于找出体育比赛中的骗子
副标题3(现版本):成绩分析法可能有助于澄清疑问


在奥运赛场上,多快算太快?当年仅16岁的中国游泳选手叶诗文在周六的女子400米混
合泳比赛中打破世界纪录后,这个问题接踵而至。赛后,一些游泳专家好奇叶诗文是否
服用了药物以提高成绩。然而她从未被检出服用违禁药物,并且国际奥委会在周二声名
她在赛后的药检显示她是清白的。问题的争论已经带有了一些种族和政治色彩,而非科
学的分析。在此,《自然》将探讨是否可能以及如何通过对一个运动员的历史成绩以及
人类生理学极限的分析来检出兴奋剂服用者。

叶诗文的成绩反常吗?
当然。她在400米混合泳比赛中的成绩比她在7月份的某重大赛事的相同项目上提高了7
秒多。但是更加惊人的是她在最后50米的表现。她甚至比美国的游泳选手罗切特在周六
夺得男子400米混合泳金牌的比赛中的最后50米还要快。罗切特的成绩在该项运动有史
以来的成绩中排第二。

竞技比赛中的药检阴性难道不能排除服用兴奋剂的可能性吗?
“不能”,南非开普汤大学的运动生理学家罗斯 塔克如是说。因为运动员很可能在平
时,也就是药检不是很严格的时候使用兴奋剂。“每个人都会在奥运会过关。几乎没有
人会在赛前或赛后的药检中被检出。”,塔克说。
塔克表示,平时的药检更有可能检测出服用兴奋剂,但是不可能对每一个优秀的运动员
一年到头进行常规的检测。德国Freiburg医科大学的运动生理学家尤克.欧拉夫.斯谷马
赫说,长期跟踪一个运动员并且注意其反常的成绩将会帮助反兴奋剂人士更好地利用资
源。斯谷马赫曾经于2009年发表文章提议将运动员的成绩分析作为反兴奋剂一个手段。
“我认为将跟踪范围缩小到少数可疑的运动员将是一个经济的好方法,因为任何服用兴
奋剂的最后结果都将会是更好的成绩”,斯谷马赫说。
通过检测运动员血液的一些指标来找到服用兴奋剂的生理学证据,也就是所谓的生物通
行证,和分析运动员的成绩有异曲同工之效(参见“Racing just to keep up”)。该
方法自2008年被引入后,自行车权威机构注意到了西班牙自行车选手安东尼.克罗姆血
液检测结果呈现不规则变化,并最终于2009证实该选手使用了红细胞生成素(EPO)。

如何利用成绩分析法找到兴奋剂服用者?
斯谷马赫表示,反兴奋剂的权威人士需要一个更好的方法发现不正常的成绩或者发现一
系列成绩呈现不正常的变化趋势。为达到这个目的,运动学家们应该建立一个数据库,
根据运动种类和比赛项目记录运动员的运动成绩是如何随着年龄的增长而提高的。通过
建立统计学模型并结合运动员的过往成绩以及人类生理学的运动极限,分析运动员们的
纵向成绩来确定他们是否跑得或者游得太快。
冬奥会现代两项是一个结合越野滑雪和射击的运动项目。该项目已经开始尝试使用成绩
分析法。在一项前沿的研究中,来自奥地利萨尔茨堡的国际冬季现代两项联合组织以及
意大利的费拉拉大学的科学家们研发出了一个软件程序。该程序通过分析180名冬季两
项运动员在过去6年中的血检结果和比赛成绩找出最可能服用兴奋剂的运动员。现代冬
季两项联盟现在使用该软件锁定运动员进行进一步的药物检测。

难道不能简单地归结为运动员的超水平发挥吗?
“那将是不公平的”,塔克说,“最终的裁决只能依赖于检测结果,必须这样”。近些
年,自行车运动专家们已经成功地起诉了一些运动员。尽管像EPO这样的违禁药物并没
有能够被检测到,但这些运动员的一系列血检结果呈现出反常的变化趋势。然而,运动
员的成绩同时受到外界多种因素的影响,从而很难以此为依据而起诉某个人使用了兴奋
剂, 塔克如是说。“当我们看到这位来自中国的年轻游泳运动员打破了世界纪录,这
不能直接证明什么,(但是)值得引发怀疑。”
admin 发表于 2012-8-7 00:53:03 | 显示全部楼层
Nature就此事已经正式道歉,全文如下
http://www.nature.com/news/why-great-olympic-feats-raise-suspic
The story’s intention as an Explainer was to examine how science can help
resolve debates over extraordinary performances, not to examine those
performance statistics in detail. Several analyses done by others convinced
us that it was fair to characterize Ye’s performance as ‘anomalous’ — in
the sense that it was statistically unusual. But we acknowledge that the
combination of errors discussed above and the absence of a more detailed
discussion of the statistics (which with hindsight we regret) gave the
impression that we were supporting accusations against her, even though this
was emphatically not our intention. For that, we apologize to our readers
and to Ye Shiwen.
Tim Appenzeller Chief Magazine Editor, Nature
Philip Campbell Editor-in-Chief, Nature
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